Raser Hummer Revisited
Well, it turns our that I am supposed to be dissapointed in the Raser Hummer that I blogged about last week. In a press release, a spokesman for Raser claimed 100mpg on the behemoth SUV, which is simply incredible. What we didn't know, is that apparently there are different ways of calculating fuel mileage, and the industry doesn't have a standard that it sets for offshoots like the Raser. For clarity, the EPA can measure mass-produced cars mileage in a lab, and these are the EPA fuel consumption numbers you'll see reported most of the time, either performed by the EPA or by the manufacturer in a similar lab.
The problem is starting to come with the amount of energy that is in the batteries, and the realistic expectation of a driving trip. While some people are arguing that one ought to consider the amount of coal or natural gas that had to be burned to create the electricity that is stored in the battery, Raser did not. Also, some believe a vehicle should be driven from a full tank of gas to an empty tank of gas, and again, Raser did not. In fact, it appears that Raser felt it appropriate to drive the Hummer 40 miles on the battery, then 25 miles on gasoline, and THEN report the mileage.
So if he counts 100 mpg, either it's 2/3 gal for those 25 miles, (37mpg or so), or it's 33mpg all the way (battery charging included), according to Doug Schiller of alternativeenergy.com. I know, I know, nowhere near as inpressive as 100mpg, right? Or is it?
If you look back to the first sentance, I said that I'm "supposed" to be dissappointed in the revelation. While I can say that I'm certainly not AS excited, I'm still incredibly impressed for two reasons. Most obviously, 33mpg is a HUGE number for a vehicle that typically gets HALF that, can still off-road, and tops out at 100mph. I've driven an H2 around a sharp corner at 30, and I promise you I would never get anywhere NEAR 100mph in one of those things. Second, while it seems a tad misleading to calculate fuel the way Raser does, I think it's only because nobody else does it that way. I'm with him this time, thinking that maybe we need to look at the way we calculate fuel mileage.
I know for sure that I drive about an hour to work (or did until I quit Monday, anyway), and back, which is about 48 miles round trip. That still gives me almost 15 miles or so of driving before I hit Raser's magical number of 100mpg. If I drive less, it's probably more. At any rate, I'm pretty sure that I drive more than most of America, although some drive more, and few drive MUCH more. Calculate the mpg including the fuel burned to charge the batteries in your garage, fine, but I think we're missing the EFFICIENCY of that energy. After all, that's one of the reasons to push to battery cars instead of self powered cars. I listened to a physics professor explain the cost of a lightbulb and it's ridiculously cheap. So cheap, in fact, that he makes the case that we wouldn't even notice if we left a 60 watt lightbulb on all day. In fact, if it weren't for large appliances like washers, dryers, refrigerators, dishwashers and such, we probably wouldn't even notice our electric bill. So the question is, shouldn't we be able to calculate, instead of miles per gallon, miles per dollar?
I think that there ought to be several ways to measure gas mileage based on the ways that we are likely to drive our cars. We already know that we are likely to get different figures for city driving vs highway driving. What about those of us that would drive only 15 miles a day? We'd never need to fill up that Hummer with gas. AAA gives us national average fuel prices, and I'm sure we could have a national average electricity cost as well. I propose a 40 mile trip mpg and mpd(miles per dollar), a 100 mile mpg/mpd, and a 400 mile or 800 mile mpg/mpd, whichever we are more like to make on an all day cross-country trip style driving.
This way, as consumers, we could evaluate a car based on the needs WE expect to use the car, and make the better choice for our pockets. Granted, mpd wouldn't necessarily reflect what we'd pay because prices fluctuate across the country, but it would at least be standardized and give us a great comparison of apples to apples. So maybe that Hummer wouldn't be the best thing for a guy who has to drive all day every day, but it could be a godsend for the grocery getting soccer mom.
All in all, I think it's still a fantastic vehicle representing a HUGE bound in the right direction. A little more work on portable electricty generators, maybe some focus on vehicles intended to stay on road instead of off and maybe at more sane and, er, legal speeds, and we'll see that 100mpg in our pocketbooks at the end of the week.

The problem is starting to come with the amount of energy that is in the batteries, and the realistic expectation of a driving trip. While some people are arguing that one ought to consider the amount of coal or natural gas that had to be burned to create the electricity that is stored in the battery, Raser did not. Also, some believe a vehicle should be driven from a full tank of gas to an empty tank of gas, and again, Raser did not. In fact, it appears that Raser felt it appropriate to drive the Hummer 40 miles on the battery, then 25 miles on gasoline, and THEN report the mileage.
So if he counts 100 mpg, either it's 2/3 gal for those 25 miles, (37mpg or so), or it's 33mpg all the way (battery charging included), according to Doug Schiller of alternativeenergy.com. I know, I know, nowhere near as inpressive as 100mpg, right? Or is it?
If you look back to the first sentance, I said that I'm "supposed" to be dissappointed in the revelation. While I can say that I'm certainly not AS excited, I'm still incredibly impressed for two reasons. Most obviously, 33mpg is a HUGE number for a vehicle that typically gets HALF that, can still off-road, and tops out at 100mph. I've driven an H2 around a sharp corner at 30, and I promise you I would never get anywhere NEAR 100mph in one of those things. Second, while it seems a tad misleading to calculate fuel the way Raser does, I think it's only because nobody else does it that way. I'm with him this time, thinking that maybe we need to look at the way we calculate fuel mileage.
I know for sure that I drive about an hour to work (or did until I quit Monday, anyway), and back, which is about 48 miles round trip. That still gives me almost 15 miles or so of driving before I hit Raser's magical number of 100mpg. If I drive less, it's probably more. At any rate, I'm pretty sure that I drive more than most of America, although some drive more, and few drive MUCH more. Calculate the mpg including the fuel burned to charge the batteries in your garage, fine, but I think we're missing the EFFICIENCY of that energy. After all, that's one of the reasons to push to battery cars instead of self powered cars. I listened to a physics professor explain the cost of a lightbulb and it's ridiculously cheap. So cheap, in fact, that he makes the case that we wouldn't even notice if we left a 60 watt lightbulb on all day. In fact, if it weren't for large appliances like washers, dryers, refrigerators, dishwashers and such, we probably wouldn't even notice our electric bill. So the question is, shouldn't we be able to calculate, instead of miles per gallon, miles per dollar?
I think that there ought to be several ways to measure gas mileage based on the ways that we are likely to drive our cars. We already know that we are likely to get different figures for city driving vs highway driving. What about those of us that would drive only 15 miles a day? We'd never need to fill up that Hummer with gas. AAA gives us national average fuel prices, and I'm sure we could have a national average electricity cost as well. I propose a 40 mile trip mpg and mpd(miles per dollar), a 100 mile mpg/mpd, and a 400 mile or 800 mile mpg/mpd, whichever we are more like to make on an all day cross-country trip style driving.
This way, as consumers, we could evaluate a car based on the needs WE expect to use the car, and make the better choice for our pockets. Granted, mpd wouldn't necessarily reflect what we'd pay because prices fluctuate across the country, but it would at least be standardized and give us a great comparison of apples to apples. So maybe that Hummer wouldn't be the best thing for a guy who has to drive all day every day, but it could be a godsend for the grocery getting soccer mom.
All in all, I think it's still a fantastic vehicle representing a HUGE bound in the right direction. A little more work on portable electricty generators, maybe some focus on vehicles intended to stay on road instead of off and maybe at more sane and, er, legal speeds, and we'll see that 100mpg in our pocketbooks at the end of the week.











Hi Turbomancheese
I am Lindsay Leveen The Green Machine. The Raser Hummer is an Eraser of wealth. It will wipe you out. It needs 40 kwh of lithium batteries. This will cost an added $40,000. So you drive 40 miles a day on electric at 10 cents per kwh. This costs you $4 per day. If you drove the standard H3 40 miles you would use 2.5 gals of gas or $7. You save $3 per day and spend $40K extra for the batteries. You need 13,333 days to payout your added costs. The lithium batteries only last 2,000 days so you need 6.7 sets of batteries over 550,000 miles. Raser is the wealth eraser. visit www.greenenergyexplained.com
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Thanks for doing some math, but I'm a little confused. You have the price of the batteries being $40,000, but the price of a mass produced H3 Raser (which is the intended subject of the article, as it is looking forward) is expected to be in the $55,000 range. I understand that there won't likely be any upcharge to switch out the Hummer engine with the Solstice engine (turbo-motors are expensive, I build them, but it's a lot smaller than the Hummer motor), everything else that is changed, is pretty much the same. Transmission just moved back, drive shaft just smaller, gas tank just smaller. Not a lot of price variance there.
Then you have the hybrid control circuitry, hardware, and programming. Surely that has to be figured in to the $55k as well since it still uses most of the Hummers wiring harness. So all that, PLUS the batteries has to be included in the $55K expected MSRP, which is only $15K more than a similarly equipped Hummer.
If the $40K for the batteries is what Raser is paying for them right now to put in their prototypes or their limited first run Hummers, then I agree, I won't be buying one anytime soon, since the price would be closer to $90K or more.
I'm also curious about the lifespan of the batteries you quote as 2000 days. I know the li-ion battery in my laptop never lasts as long as I want it to, but I have a feeling the batteries used in a mass produced Raser H3 will be a little bit better quality than my laptop's. I can't find anything through Google about the intended battery's lifespan, so maybe you could point me in the right direction there? I'm on my way to greenenergyexplained.com right now;thanks for the link.
And thanks for the comment!!!
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no doubt that lithium batteries cost between $1300 and $2000 per kwh. The least quantity of batteries in this Bummer is 30 kwh. This means $40,000 to $66,000 for the batteries alone. Raser is dreaming they can sell the vehicle for $55,000. Go to www.batteryuniversity.com to learn about batteries
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Quit your job? Moving to Virginia? WTF?
I was gone for 11 days to visit kids, grandkids, and go to a wedding, so this new job stuff is all news to me. Anyway, GC in Tamarac is still the same. They managed to get a 65 on their CSQ while I was gone. I'm on Facebook. Jim Berres.
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